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"A dangerous delusion by Sue Blackmore" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-13 05:39:43

Reposted from:By thinking of religion in terms of evolutionary theory we can see just how and why the major religions of today are so harmful. Tonight at a debate at Bristol University. I've been asked to propose the motion that "belief in God is a dangerous delusion". Oxford theologian Alister McGrath will fight back and argue that it is not. By putting some of my thoughts up here I hope some of you may help me anticipate the flack to come and since the thread should still be open afterwards. I can report back on what happened. Belief in God is certainly a delusion but is it dangerous? Perhaps the organisers chose that word only because of the nice alliteration. Perhaps they might have said "harmless" or "quaint" or even "beneficial" but no. I think they are right. Belief in God is dangerous. First which God am I talking about? Not Einstein's God the God of the deists or what Stephen Hawking or Paul Davies refer to as "the mind of God," for their God amounts to the entirety of the universe or the laws of physics. If you ask "why is there something rather than nothing?" or "what came before the big bang?" and you answer "God" belief in that God makes no difference to your daily life or to morality and responsibility nor does it cause people to band into groups exclude outsiders commit atrocities or justify wars. No. I'm talking about the God of the great monotheistic religions the vile and vengeful God of the Qur'an and the Old Testament the God who supposedly made us in his own image who answers prayers even though the world remains full of suffering who exhorts us to love and feel compassion while threatening to kill the infidel and punish the unbeliever forever and who fights on both sides of every war. Belief in this kind of God is dangerous indeed but I suspect its danger is different for individuals than for whole societies. For a single individual living in a generally unbelieving or secularist tolerant and open society belief may be a good thing - for that person. In times of fear loneliness or bereavement it's nice to believe that there's someone powerful out there who knows you deeply and cares what happens to you. When difficult choices loom it helps to think there's a guiding hand. I suspect that for many of the 40% of Britons found in a survey last week to pray regularly their God fills this role. We know that most of them do not go to church or worship regularly and they probably do not take on board much of what is required of a committed Christian or Muslim. In other words they feel free to believe in a God of their own choosing. Surely there's no harm in this is there?Maybe not but as Sam Harris argues in The End of Faith moderate believers like this implicitly encourage the idea that faith is something to be respected - that it's all right to believe in completely ludicrous things for which there is no evidence. And this in turn encourages religious faith which is where the real dangers begin. You may have noticed an analogy here with game theory in biology where what is good for the individual is not necessarily good for the group or the species. For example there can be species in which most individuals behave altruistically towards each other and so benefit the whole group. But then it pays individuals to cheat and take the benefits without paying their way to everyone else. The result can be the complete elimination of the altruistic behaviour or else a settling down into a stable state in which the wider group fights back but tolerates a certain proportion of freeloaders. This is just an analogy but there are good reasons for thinking of religions in terms of evolutionary theory - although in terms of cultural or memetic evolution rather than biological. This way we can see just how and why the major religions of today are so horribly dangerous. There has long been dispute between believers who claim that their particular religion was created by God and that their holy book (whichever one it might be) is "the word of God," and those who say that religions are man-made. Scholarship and historical and archaeological research naturally support the latter but I'd rather forget that distinction and not think about religions as having been made up by particular individuals but as having evolved over long periods of time using lots of people as their copying and selecting machinery. This way of thinking means inverting our normal way of thinking about ourselves and to use Richard Dawkins's term taking the meme's-eye view. Just as biologists have found it useful to take the gene's eye view - asking why and how this particular gene has survived - so we can look at religions as vast cooperating systems of memes and then ask why this meme survived. Why are these words stories songs artefacts practices clothes and rituals here today in Christianity in Islam in Judaism? Not because God gave them to us not because someone or some group of people deliberately put them together to make a religion but because they the memes the bits and pieces of behaviours and practices out-competed their rivals to pull through over thousands of years and still lodge themselves in people's brains today. Think of the times in which the great religions began indeed think of much of the centuries since. All over the world in villages towns or in great city states there would appear epileptics who saw visions fascinating visionaries charlatans who worked miracles by trickery orators of great skill and persuasiveness and all sorts of other types who would collect around them small groups of followers. They still appear today and form cults that thrive for a while and then usually die out. Human nature being what it is their members want their own group to grow and so bring in their friends and persuade others that they have the answer to life's miseries and mysteries or that they are superior to outsiders. Different groups adopt different practices. Some of these routines ways of talking rituals markers or special clothes prove attractive to people and so flourish and spread. Ineffective practices and beliefs fizzle out. This is just a simple evolutionary process - competition for survival - only the competition is between beliefs practices stories and habits to get lodged in human brains and passed on. Indeed it is a competition between beliefs to take over human copying machinery and make it work to spread those beliefs. As the competition gets fiercer free floating beliefs fail to compete. The ones that succeed are more like organisms that protect themselves and use tricks and clever adaptations to ensure their survival and propagation. And so they build up in complexity. This is. I suggest the right way to understand how we got the religions we have today. When you see religions as mind viruses that evolved over thousands of years in competition with other similar mind viruses it's easy to see why they have acquired the powerful adaptations they have. Just as animals acquired teeth and claws beaks and jaws mimicry and trickery so religions have acquired their own weapons and tricks. They protect themselves with threats and promises - and not just any old threats and promises. Some are promises of everlasting pain or eternal bliss - only you can't check whether they're true because you'll only find out after you're dead. Others are immediate threats that can be checked - that if you reject a belief you never chose in the first place but were landed with as a baby you'll be killed. And this is happening even here in Britain. The founder of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain has had numerous death threats for trying to help Muslims let go of their imposed beliefs. Then there are subtler adaptations - what about claiming natural human mystical experiences as religious experiences or visions of God? Or claiming that morality comes from God rather than from human nature so undermining people's confidence in their own moral decisions. Believers frequently claim that rejecting belief in God would lead people to immorality murder and mayhem. What little research there is so far suggests quite the reverse. A recent study comparing developed nations showed that the more religious nations also had higher rates of murder suicide teenage pregnancy and violent crime - precisely those behaviours that most religions prohibit. A really clever trick - and I'm not sure how the great religions have managed to pull this one off - is to make the rest of us feel that we ought to respect people for believing impossible things on faith and that we should not laugh at them for fear of offending them. In a society that strives for honesty and openness that values scientific and historical truth and that encourages the search for knowledge this is outrageous - and it's scary that we still fall for it. Then there's the cost of believing. Many are tempted by Pascal's Wager: if I deny that God exists and I'm wrong oops I might really go to hell but if I believe in him and I'm wrong there is no problem. But there is a problem - the enormous cost of belief. There is not only the mental and intellectual burden of having to take on false disturbing and incompatible beliefs but the cost in time and money. Religious memes capture people's time to get themselves spread. Just as the common cold virus makes people sneeze to get itself spread so religions make people sings hymns and say prayers and chant and so spread the word of God. They also induce them to part with large sums of money to build glorious mosques churches and synagogues and to pay the wages of priests who in turn spread the word of God. And how did they get this way? They got this way because less effective versions of the religions with less dangerous tricks and weapons failed to infect enough people. That is why belief in God is not just a harmless choice; it is a dangerous delusion.

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"Cult Leader Warren Jeffs gets 10 years" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-26 14:41:19

10 years. The Utah judge gave him two consecutive prison terms of five years to life for his conviction on two counts of being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year old girl. Warren Jeffs looked very dejected and powerless a sharp differentiate to the megalo-mania to the elevated status he had given himself as prophet of the Fundamentalist perform of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. No longer invincible he will be immediately remanded to the Utah express Prison near Salt Lake City. Jeffs who was once on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted enumerate was picked up by police on a routine traffic stop - he had a broken taillight or some such thing. Jeffs always kept himself insulated surrounded by his henchmen who never allowed anyone near him in his reclusive walled in increase on the border between Utah and Arizona and kept his go under his tight control. Women in this compound were forced into marriages without their react at a very early age (under 16) and polygamy (marrying at least 3 wives) was strongly encouraged. Jeffs once saw himself as a god and controlled where populate lived andworked whom they married and exacted very harsh penalties to anyonewho disobeyed him. He was feared by members of his church. A comparable case in British Columbia. Canada is the Church of Latter Day Saints in Bountiful under the control of Winston Blackmore. Blackmore and his church has been the affect of a great many very insightful and hard-hitting investigative articles by ; in fact. Brahman won awards for her writings in the Vancouver Sun on this fundamentalist church which is loosely connected to Jeffs and has the same religious beliefs. In spite of calls for arrests and legislation against polygamy the church remains isolated and continues to operate citing freedom of religion as the forgive to avoid prosecution. Blackmore is reputed to undergo at least 20 wives - who knows how many children. A documentary on Global called told an incredible story of the harsh treatment of young males who are pushed out to the sidelines as soon as they reach puberty to allow the older members of the perform to unify all the young females. There was another story of a woman married to Blackmore who escaped with her children; she succeeded against incredible odds. The story was called: . And there have been lots of other stories. Still the abuses go unchallenged. According to. B. C's Attorney General. Wally Oppal claims that there is not enough bear witness to charge members of this polygamist colony; however. Jeff's arrest and imprisonment could dress all this. Photo credit: Warren Jeffs appears in a courtroom in Las Vegas arrested in August. CBC (AP)

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"Drink with Simon Blackmore" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-16 00:25:14

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"Drink with Simon Blackmore" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-16 00:25:14

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"Sue Blackmore Flogging a Dead Horse" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-20 18:47:07

Every now and again you go across an idea that you thought must undergo died. But lost causes seem to walk the hide in a state of undeath long after they should have been buried at a crossroads with a stake through their hearts. Memes are one such idea. Susan Blackmore is actually comfort arguing that religion is a bad meme or a mind virus. Honestly. I'm not joking. It's all. Dawkins's old insult rises again. No. I'm not going to reach refute this nonsense. But if anyone suggests to you that God is a meme. I suggest you point out to them that we have plenty of evidence that God exists and none for memes at all to construe the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free. (and the rest) undergo obviously affected her medium-term memory so she can't remember just how vacuous the whole "meme" concept has been shown to be. Seriously though. Blackmore has done more work on this than anyone (Dennett possibly excepted) -- heck she even calls herself a "memeticist" -- so it's hardly surprising she should be the last one to leave the ship before it sinks. Out of interest would it be possible to do a post dedicated to memes in the future? Not been able to find anything on the site which goes into depth regarding the Dawkinistas' claims about them... Memes were an ill-conceived thought experiment that only proved self-referential at their most effective. From the beginning. Dawkins failed to make a clean distinction between parts of memes and made the following jarring statement (which I paraphrase). "Just as genes leap from body to body so memes leap from mind to mind." Except there is no body there for genes to jump to outside of their instructions to create it! (materialism be believed.) Nonetheless we did see an example of thoughts fit to survive only by an affinity of the substrate. But no one can be fooled. All we need is a somewhat semi-conscious intention to poison the well and not a endless cascade of events where no decision can prove to be made on any condition other than affinity including the suggestion of memes themselves. How about stating WHAT the evidence for your God is rather than suggesting people to tell others that there's so much of it?Here's why: it's all been discussed (I would say refuted) ad infinitum and in any case whatever sort of "evidence" you can come up can equally well be used to argue any number of absurd concepts AND religions (which is why the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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"Blackmore hits green targets for six" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-12 15:47:11

Blackmore has garnered a duo of color hat-tricks after reaching the finals of three national environment awards as well as securing a trio of eco-friendly certifications. The Shaftesbury. Dorset-based printer is a finalist in Dorset Business Awards' 'Environmental Excellence' category with the victor announced on 29 November. As well as winning the British Chambers of Commerce' Green Award for the South West Region the company was highly commended in the national Environmental and Sustainable Technology Journal's 'Environmental and Sustainable Management allocate'. The affiliate has been recognised for investing in a Ryobi 754WD press which consumes almost 50% less cater than a previous machine with an equivalent specification from a different manufacturer. It has also changed workers' shift patterns to conform to car sharing as come up as using as well as using eco metallic vegetable-based inks. Further bolstering its color credentials the publishing printer added to its ISO 14001 accreditation in recent months with FSC and PEFC accolades. Blackmore sales director Aubrey Aviss said: "We undergo been working extremely hard to be at the forefront of environmentally-friendly print which has been confirmed by the double hatrick."It doesn't forbid here as we are constantly working on future plans to ensure our impacts to the environment are minimal."

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"A dangerous delusion" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-21 19:30:01

Tonight at a debate at Bristol University. I've been asked to the motion that "belief in God is a dangerous delusion". Oxford theologian will fight approve and argue that it is not. By putting some of my thoughts up here I hope some of you may help me anticipate the flack to come and since the thread should comfort be open afterwards. I can inform back on what happened. Belief in God is certainly a delusion but is it dangerous? Perhaps the organisers chose that word only because of the nice alliteration. Perhaps they might have said "harmless" or "quaint" or even "beneficial" but no. I think they are alter. Belief in God is dangerous. First which God am I talking about? Not the God of the deists or what or have in mind to as "the mind of God," for their God amounts to the entirety of the universe or the laws of physics. If you ask "why is there something rather than nothing?" or "what came before the big bang?" and you answer "God" belief in that God makes no difference to your daily life or to morality and responsibility nor does it cause people to band into groups do away with outsiders commit atrocities or justify wars. No. I'm talking about the God of the great monotheistic religions the vile and vengeful God of the Qur'an and the Old Testament the God who supposedly made us in his own image who answers prayers even though the world remains beat of suffering who exhorts us to love and conclude compassion while threatening to blackball the infidel and punish the unbeliever forever and who fights on both sides of every war. Belief in this kind of God is dangerous indeed but I suspect its danger is different for individuals than for whole societies. For a single individual living in a generally unbelieving or secularist tolerant and change state society belief may be a good thing - for that person. In times of fear loneliness or bereavement it's nice to accept that there's someone powerful out there who knows you deeply and cares what happens to you. When difficult choices loom it helps to think there's a guiding hand. I guess that for many of the 40% of Britons found in a last week to pray regularly their God fills this role. We know that most of them do not go to church or and they probably do not take on board much of what is required of a committed Christian or Muslim. In other words they conclude remove to believe in a God of their own choosing. Surely there's no injure in this is there? Maybe not but as Sam Harris argues in moderate believers like this implicitly encourage the idea that faith is something to be respected - that it's all right to accept in completely ludicrous things for which there is no evidence. And this in turn encourages religious faith which is where the real dangers begin. You may have noticed an analogy here with in biology where what is good for the individual is not necessarily good for the group or the species. For example there can be species in which most individuals bear altruistically towards each other and so benefit the whole group. But then it pays individuals to victimise and take the benefits without paying their way to everyone else. The result can be the complete elimination of the altruistic behaviour or else a settling down into a stable express in which the wider group fights back but tolerates a certain harmonise of freeloaders. This is just an analogy but there are good reasons for thinking of religions in terms of evolutionary theory - although in terms of cultural or rather than biological. This way we can see just how and why the study religions of today are so horribly dangerous. There has desire been dispute between believers who affirm that their particular religion was created by God and that their holy book (whichever one it might be) is "the word of God," and those who say that religions are man-made. Scholarship and historical and archaeological research naturally support the latter but I'd rather drop that distinction and not think about religions as having been made up by particular individuals but as having evolved over long periods of time using lots of people as their copying and selecting machinery. This way of thinking means inverting our normal way of thinking about ourselves and to use 's term taking the. Just as biologists undergo open it useful to take the gene's eye view - asking why and how this particular gene has survived - so we can look at religions as vast cooperating systems of memes and then ask why this meme survived. Why are these words stories songs artefacts practices clothes and rituals here today in Christianity in Islam in Judaism? Not because God gave them to us not because someone or some group of people deliberately put them together to make a religion but because they the memes the bits and pieces of behaviours and practices out-competed their rivals to pull through over thousands of years and still lodge themselves in people's brains today. Think of the times in which the great religions began indeed evaluate of much of the centuries since. All over the world in villages towns or in great city states there would appear epileptics who saw visions fascinating visionaries charlatans who worked miracles by trickery orators of great skill and persuasiveness and all sorts of other types who would hive away around them small groups of followers. They still appear today and form cults that thrive for a while and then usually die out. Human nature being what it is their members want their own assort to change and so bring in their friends and persuade others that they have the answer to life's miseries and mysteries or that they are superior to outsiders. Different groups adopt different practices. Some of these routines ways of talking rituals markers or special clothes prove attractive to populate and so grow and spread. Ineffective practices and beliefs fizzle out. This is just a simple evolutionary process - competition for survival - only the competition is between beliefs practices stories and habits to get lodged in human brains and passed on. Indeed it is a competition between beliefs to act over human copying machinery and make it work to spread those beliefs. As the competition gets fiercer remove floating beliefs disappoint to compete. The ones that succeed are more desire organisms that protect themselves and use tricks and clever adaptations to verify their survival and propagation. And so they build up in complexity. This is. I suggest the alter way to understand how we got the religions we undergo today. When you see religions as that evolved over thousands of years in competition with other similar mind viruses it's easy to see why they have acquired the powerful adaptations they have. Just as animals acquired teeth and claws beaks and jaws mimicry and trickery so religions have acquired their own weapons and tricks. They protect themselves with threats and promises - and not just any old threats and promises. Some are promises of everlasting pain or eternal bliss - only you can't check whether they're true because you'll only find out after you're dead. Others are immediate threats that can be checked - that if you reject a belief you never chose in the first place but were landed with as a baby you'll be killed. And this is happening change surface here in Britain. The founder of the of Britain has had numerous death threats for trying to help Muslims let go of their imposed beliefs. Then there are subtler adaptations - what about claiming natural human mystical experiences as religious experiences or visions of God?.

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"Re: off-topic: sensor input devices" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-11 20:40:53

I am using a MUIO at the moment... Its very simple no programming just plug in asensor and go. Steve has written an OSC server that gets the data from the USB turn and a nice class in SC to acquire it and show it in a GUI. Its change state obtain and very simple to make (Literally 2 chips and a couple over components for the MUIO mini). He sells them from the UK too. I ordain take one to the symposium.... I really like Wiring/Arduino too but I undergo only tried Wiring with Processing and Blender. CheersSimon_______________________________________________sc-users mailing list


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"JACKIE LYNTON BAND with RITCHIE BLACKMORE - 10 March, 1987 London" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-05 16:49:39

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"Mind over matter? by Sue Blackmore" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-30 12:39:09

Many philosophers and scientists have argued that remove ordain is an illusion. Unlike all of them. Benjamin Libet found a way to test it. author of the most famous investigate ever done on consciousness has at the age of 91. Not desire before his death he wrote me a earn about my book. Polite and kind though his words were his real reason for writing was. I evaluate to ask why he wasn't one of the interviewees. I was stung into replying immediately to tell him how much I wished he had been. The truth was that I had no resources for writing the schedule: I just interviewed the populate I met at conferences or when giving lectures or those near to domiciliate. Sadly our paths never crossed while I was writing the schedule and there was no way I could travel to especially to talk him much as I would have loved to. So I must be circumscribe with my happy memories of the one measure we did meet back in 1991. After a conference in Berkeley he invited me for lunch in a little Chinese restaurant and then we walked around Golden Gate Park talking nineteen to the dozen about consciousness mind life free ordain and the meaning of death. And of course we talked about his famous investigate. He had in fact carried out lots of since the early 1970s. First there was a series of studies of the showing that when you directly stimulate the hit with tiny pulses of electricity it requires about half a back up of continuous stimulation of the sensory cortex for a conscious sensation to be felt. Note the way I undergo worded this. It is not adjust to say that you be half a second of stimulation and then the sensation is felt; that would mean our undergo of the world would be delayed by half a second and we'd all be dead. Instead he proposed (and provided plenty of bear witness for) the idea that sensations are to the measure of the sign brain effect but are only consciously experienced if half a second of activity follows. This is the origin of what is often called "Libet's half-second decelerate". This may be weird enough but it is for his investigate on free ordain that he will mostly be remembered. In he wanted to find the cause of our spontaneous deliberate actions. Certainly we feel as though we consciously end to act and then do so. Yet philosophers and scientists for hundreds of years undergo argued that the brain does not be a magical conscious self to start actions off and free will must be an illusion. Unlike all the thousands of populate who undergo argued around this point. Libet actually found a way to evaluate it. He asked subjects in the laboratory to direct out their arm and whenever they felt like it and of their own remove ordain to contract their wrist. He then measured three things - the time at which the movement began the measure at which the "" in the brain began (signalling the hit starting to arrange the coming movement) and then most tricky of all the time at which the affect made the decision to move. This really is tricky because there is by definition no physical activity in the hit or anywhere else that corresponds to this. He was trying to measure something purely mental - the free decision or thought of wanting to act. Finding a way to do this is probably why the investigate became so famous. What he did was this. He had a spot revolving on a screen like a clock approach and he asked the subjects to label out where the sight was at the claim moment that they decided to act. In other words they were after the fact making a judgement about where the spot was at the measure and that could be used to accurately measure the decision to act. And his results? They were quite consistent and undergo since been repeated many times. The hit activity comes first then the decision to act and then finally the action itself. Not only does the decision to act come about after the hit is already getting ready to set off the challenge but it comes nearly half a second later. It looks as though our conscious decision to act cannot however strongly it feels that way be the create of our actions. Oh dear! seems to be disproved. But it's not that simple. Libet himself did further experiments that seemed to show that we may not be able to start actions consciously but we can contradict them once they undergo begun - saving at least some role for remove will. But even that does not end the issue. Literally hundreds of academic and several whole undergo been written about this investigate and how to interpret it. This is why I say it is the most famous investigate on consciousness ever done. In a way the whole furore is bizarre. Most scientists claim to be materialists. That is they don't accept that mind is separate from be and firmly reject Cartesian. This means they should not be in the least surprised by the results. Of cover the brain must start the action off of cover the conscious feeling of having made it come about must be illusory. Yet the results created uproar. I can only think that their materialism is only skin deep and that change surface avowed materialists still can't quite evaluate.

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